I admit that I'm not quite sure what the claim about rock and jazz made here is—that older players aren't expected to have continued relevance, that they're expected to have diminished quality, or that they're expected to reprise the same sorts of things that they did when young (that is, not supposed to have different stylistic phases), or something else entirely (or some mix). But surely there are legions of counterexamples to each, and especially the first two? (Though I'm not sure how to assess the relevance except, well, relatively; when was the last time, after all, that free improv was generally relevant, much less the improviser of age x?) I actually know plenty of people who like Dylan's recent work just fine (some who think it's better than what he put out as a youth, even), but who wouldn't compare it to his earlier albums simply because they're quite different—he's got a different style now. Tom Waits similarly. People don't go to Dylan's shows now just hoping to hear the old stuff—somewhat remarkably. In some cases (though the recent folk-rock rediscoveries such as Vashti Bunyan, whose second album is not markedly dissimilar from her first, proves that it's certainly not all—that whole topic of what people make of the albums made by suddenly-rediscovered or unearthed folks would probably be pretty interesting in this light) there's an expectation that the player will change, lest extreme patheticness set in. (Consider the Rolling Stones. These cases are, I guess, those in which the early material is obviously the product of youth, or tied to being young; I think a lot of Dylan's (and certainly the Stones') early material is like that in a way that that of Bunyan or, say, Robert Wyatt, to take another person who's continued to put out quality after 40, simply isn't.)
Scott Walker's over 60, and it would take a lot of effort to maintain that his current style isn't that far removed from "Make It Easy On Yourself", and Tilt and The Drift have certainly received their fair share of praise. Joe Maneri's first album as a leader came out in 1991—he was 67; nearly all of Steffen Basho-Junghans and Derek Bailey's albums as leader came after their 40th birthdays (Joseph Holbrooke, though, was formed when Bailey was 33). Paul Flaherty seems to be everywhere these days, and while I'm not sure how old he is, he's certainly over 40. Both Peter Brötzmann and Sonny Sharrock were over 40 when Last Exit was formed, and Hamid Drake only started attracting serious attention after that point. As far as I can tell Keiji Haino, John Zorn (most or all of the Masada material comes from after his 40th year), and most of the AMM crew are still relevant and producing quality output. Fred Frith's output has only gotten increasingly varied as time's gone on. Otomo Yoshihide, Tony Buck (I haven't checked this but he looked old when I saw him), Jon Rose, Evan Parker, blah.
Even Blixa Bargeld is over 40, and when I saw him last year it was amazing.
With regard to this bit from this article by Said, all, alas, that I've read:
Yet what of the last or late period of life, the decay of the body, the onset of ill health (which, in a younger person, brings on the possibility of an untimely end)?
Bailey's Carpal Tunnel immediately suggests itself, as do Warren Zevon's last few albums. (We pass over in silence Mike Watt's album about when he almost died from an infection on his perineum.)
Most of the above-named are improv types, of course. Partly this is a function of the fact that it's easier to find out how old they are (how old is Rick Bishop? Beats me.), and partly it's because there are a lot more obvious candidates there (also I don't trust myself to have a good sense about who the candidates are in rockier territory, which is kind of ironic, since I'm most familiar with it… ah well). But I also think that, even if it were true that rock audiences would reject or be inclined to reject stuff from older bands/persons in the past, that's changing; I don't see any reason, anyway, to believe that Jim O'Rourke or The Melvins, say, are just going to stop producing interesting music in three years. (Though it turns out that Buzz Osborne is already over 40.)
I tried to find some rockier people who I thought would be candidates for already- or soon-to-be- over-40dom, and was repeatedly foiled by the lack of easily available information.Then I made one anyway and it's posted below because it occurred to me that I can't really assess stylistic change in many of them. But I really think the age-based thing only applies to the rawkier parts of rock and the poppier parts of pop. K-Space isn't much like Henry Cow. (But who cares about K-Space? Beats me, but "relevance" seems like a suspicious criterion.)
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